This kind of system is not as good as people think.

"RotaryLover" (rotarylover) 10/15/2013 at 11:01 • Filed to: None

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You see, the issue we got with this kind of system are the idiotic drivers that cuts the truckers. The system panics and automatically brake which sends the trucker almost to the windshield and from reports from many drivers, it's like the system grew an extra set of brakes out of nowhere and brake even better than yourself with your foot on the brake pedal at the maximum of your strength and the Maxi brakes on at the same time til' the danger is gone. But then what happens behind? What if the cars can't brake as hard as you? A whole new kind of accidents will happen.

McMike > RotaryLover 10/15/2013 at 11:10

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Now the brake checkers can check away without any worry of being hit.

No accident, no ticket.

RotaryLover > McMike 10/15/2013 at 11:16

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That's even worst. But if the system acts this way, what happens to people behind the trucker if they can't brake as hard as him? That's another issue.

davedave1111 > RotaryLover 10/15/2013 at 11:29

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If they can't brake hard enough, and are following too closely, then what were they going to do when the truck would otherwise have hit the car in front? I don't think you've thought this through.

The systems only do what an alert driver ought to do anyway, so whether the action is manual or automatic, you still have a responsibility to be prepared for it.

I'm not sure why you think that tailgating trucks is a good plan, but it isn't - regardless of whether they have emergency braking assistance or not.

Icemanmaybeirunoutofthetalents > RotaryLover 10/15/2013 at 11:39

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The trucks brakes, the asshole who cut in front goes on his merry way while the trucker has to stop and sort out insurance with the fellow who rear-ended him. Victims of driving-assholery.

RotaryLover > davedave1111 10/15/2013 at 11:46

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I don't think tailgating trucks is a good plan, never said that. I just think of the worst in all situations because there are drivers that will tailgate the truck close enough to not have a safety margin. As I said earlier, the issue are the ones that cut the truckers on his line without a good margin. I know well enough that the truckers have a very respectable safety margin with this system on since they don't want the annoying buzzer to go on and don't want the brakes to go batshit crazy on them. Even one of the boss at work did a test drive with one of the truckers to see if it was true and the system just went off and panic brake for a few secs when a car cut him into his line too close. Most car drivers just cut the trucker at a too short distance thinking that it was ok but it's not. They should drive in their places one day, they'll see how clearly they can tell a car is in front of them depending on which truck you have.

ESSSIX GmbH - Accountant/Wagon Thumper > RotaryLover 10/15/2013 at 11:51

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homans - solve one problem create millions of others....

RotaryLover > ESSSIX GmbH - Accountant/Wagon Thumper 10/15/2013 at 11:52

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ESSSIX GmbH - Accountant/Wagon Thumper > RotaryLover 10/15/2013 at 11:54

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davedave1111 > RotaryLover 10/15/2013 at 11:54

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Like I said, I don't think you've thought this through. Anyone close enough to a truck to hit it if it emergency brakes is close enough to hit it. If the truck driver was alert and driving safely, they'd hit the brakes just the same as the automated system does. It's almost certainly true that truckers commonly don't brake when a car cuts too close in front of them, but they should.

ESSSIX GmbH - Accountant/Wagon Thumper > ESSSIX GmbH - Accountant/Wagon Thumper 10/15/2013 at 11:55

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that is why i stick to my old technology.

Pure87 > davedave1111 10/15/2013 at 12:11

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I think he's talking about the hassle to the driver and other possible problems that the automatic panic stop can cause in heavy traffic due to someone cutting off a truck. Many drivers cut into the lane of a truck too closely but then accelerate to a safe distance ahead of the truck, so truckers often don't hit the brakes. However, with this system in place, someone cutting a little too close in front of a truck can cause it to panic stop, which can cause serious backups in heavy traffic even if everyone is following at a safe distance (which never happens in heavy traffic). Also, how would this work in really heavy, stop-and-go traffic? Normally, trucks keep a large space ahead of them because of how slowly they accelerate and how much space they need to brake, but they are constantly getting cut off by people wanting to move up a few cars. How would this system work in this situation? It's a great concept, but due to some unsafe drivers, I'm not so sure about how safe it would be irl.

RotaryLover > davedave1111 10/15/2013 at 12:18

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I see where you are getting at. But the system just brakes way harder than the trucker would brake according to the situation even if the trucker brakes himself before the system goes on during the incident. They almost end up on the windshield each time it happens. It's not a bad system but it's need more work IMO. And the sensor almost always need readjustments.

RotaryLover > ESSSIX GmbH - Accountant/Wagon Thumper 10/15/2013 at 12:25

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I'm waiting to be an éX-Driver :)

ESSSIX GmbH - Accountant/Wagon Thumper > RotaryLover 10/15/2013 at 12:32

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I have never seen this anime....thank you, thank you.

RotaryLover > Pure87 10/15/2013 at 12:34

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If I remember the system only works above 30-50 km/h. So on stop and go traffic it's ok. At highway speeds it's a problem.

RotaryLover > ESSSIX GmbH - Accountant/Wagon Thumper 10/15/2013 at 12:35

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You gonna love it! It shows why having too much technology on cars can be an issue.

davedave1111 > RotaryLover 10/15/2013 at 14:30

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Well, I haven't experienced it myself, but the way I understand it the system only brakes if it has to, at which point it's going to be an emergency stop. Like you say, tweaks are probably necessary while it's still early days. The idea itself, though, is sound.

davedave1111 > Pure87 10/15/2013 at 14:35

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"Many drivers cut into the lane of a truck too closely but then accelerate to a safe distance ahead of the truck, so truckers often don't hit the brakes."

They don't, but should. I can see the argument that you shouldn't be emergency-stopping in moving traffic as a precautionary measure, but the system's not supposed to do that.

The reality is that truckers (like most people) don't actually brake the way they should when they're cut up by a numpty in a car, and most of the time that's fine because maintaining separation is a precaution. Every now and then, though, they end up hitting the car from behind. It's definitely less dangerous even if all we're doing is changing things around so a car ploughs into the stopped truck instead of the truck hitting a stopped car.